McGwire admits the obvious.

tommymac · 01-12-2010, 11:20 AM

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The funny thing is that kids are smart enough to see that steroids helps make athletes successful. They see through all the bullshit and get straight to the point, that many of the world's most successful athletes turned out to be using steroids and many of them still do.

its also the american way in that its a quick fix.

Funny thing is long term steroid use leads to other injuries.

Kaneman · 01-12-2010, 11:28 AM

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its also the american way in that its a quick fix.

Funny thing is long term steroid use leads to other injuries.

It can be...but hardcore athletes don't slack off just because they're on the 'roids...it simply gives them more return for their effort.

tommymac · 01-12-2010, 11:30 AM

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It can be...but hardcore athletes don't slack off just because they're on the 'roids...it simply gives them more return for their effort.

true, but it still gets them to where they want ot be faster than someone whos not on the juice.

Kaneman · 01-12-2010, 11:32 AM

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true, but it still gets them to where they want ot be faster than someone whos not on the juice.

I wouldn't necessarily say faster...I would say it gets them to a level that those who are not on the juice simply can't get to period.

tommymac · 01-12-2010, 11:35 AM

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I wouldn't necessarily say faster...I would say it gets them to a level that those who are not on the juice simply can't get to period.

I would say its both. Some guys I played football with were on the juice and their gains wer emuch faster than when they werent taking anything. wha tpissed some of them of fmore was I was stronger than some of them and wasnt on anything

Did come close in my last full season though since I plateaued in my training.

TYEster · 01-12-2010, 05:45 PM

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Funny thing is long term steroid use leads to other injuries.

Like what?

tommymac · 01-12-2010, 05:47 PM

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Like what?

Connective tisue injuries, ligament tears, muscle tears and thing along those lines.

TYEster · 01-12-2010, 05:54 PM

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Connective tisue injuries, ligament tears, muscle tears and thing along those lines.

How do steroids cause those? Cause even people who are natural can tear, sprain, strain, pull, rip, bruise, and disrupt all those very things.

BTW are you familiar with how anabolic steroids work? Because their #1 reason for use is to repair muscle. In fact, Decadurabolin can aid in repairing the connective tissue of muscles.

tommymac · 01-12-2010, 06:07 PM

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How do steroids cause those? Cause even people who are natural can tear, sprain, strain, pull, rip, bruise, and disrupt all those very things.

BTW are you familiar with how anabolic steroids work? Because their #1 reason for use is to repair muscle. In fact, Decadurabolin can aid in repairing the connective tissue of muscles.

Oh I am sure I have heard how they worked in the biochemstry course I have taken, while I dont have access to the exact mechanism that causes this or the myriad of other side effects did a quick search and came up with an article here, pages 5 and 6 touch on the limited data and link it to possible issues with collagen or the fact that the muscles hypertrophy very fast and the connective tissues cannot compenste/keep up with the gains.

http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n2/2/v5n2-2pdf.pdf

Sounding a wee bit defensive now???????

101lifts2 · 01-12-2010, 08:40 PM

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Oh I am sure I have heard how they worked in the biochemstry course I have taken, while I dont have access to the exact mechanism that causes this or the myriad of other side effects did a quick search and came up with an article here, pages 5 and 6 touch on the limited data and link it to possible issues with collagen or the fact that the muscles hypertrophy very fast and the connective tissues cannot compenste/keep up with the gains.

http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n2/2/v5n2-2pdf.pdf

Sounding a wee bit defensive now???????

Yeah..I mean if "Full of Tyesterone" didn't give it away.

The cause is not steriods, but rather the user pushing too hard in which ligaments cannot handle the applied load.

I know a few dudes that have torn pec muscles, quad muscles and biceps because of this. They were simply pushing too hard with the weight, though. And they knew it.