02-13-2010, 02:23 AM | #11 |
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Noticed it's almost one-size-fits-all for sportbikes. Unless there are variations of the PCS1 that aren't clear on the website.
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02-13-2010, 02:27 AM | #12 |
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02-13-2010, 08:00 AM | #13 |
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To add on to what GM said, they also filter cold oil better according to the manufacturer. So they're also less likely to by-pass on start up when you need it most.
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02-13-2010, 10:18 AM | #14 | ||
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I'm going to post up a thread I worked on back in June for another forum... About EVO vs Twin Cam oil filters. I always knew there was a difference as decribed but it bugged me when HD came out with their new oil filter that works on both motors. So I started into my homework. topic that came up on another forum... the appropriate oil filter for the correct application. For BDB, some big dog owners have twin cam harleys, and we have had the K&N 170 vs 171 debate. I also include the notorious K&P in my research that I will start to post now... It's going to get long... hopefully worth your time... |
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I'm always up for a debate, to be educated, and/or learn something new.
The cold facts to the best of my knowledge... please correct or narrow down better if you know better. I'm new to TC motors Ok I believe that covers the differences between the 2 motors, their oiling systems and which filter specs are on the motor. I believe the idea is that if you put a TC filter on a EVO. At idle the evo wouldn't be able to push oil thru the TC filter restriction so the oil would simply bypass the oil filter = bad. If you put a EVO filter on a TC. It simply doesn't filter enough for the oil misters. Last year I remember HD doing something new with their oil filters. For years HD had a EVO filter and a TC filter due to the differences as I stated above. Here's the EVO only filter as listed on the HD site. I picked a random EVO bike (fat boy). EVO Filter Part #63805-80A Stating: Quote:
SuperPremium Oil Filters Part #63731-99A Stating: Quote:
How can this be? What is being sacrificed? Then if that wasn't enough to twizzler your mind. I brought into play the K&P filters. A stainless steel cleanable & re-usable oil filter. K&P states (even updated to include 2009) that the TC & EVO run the same filter, part # S4. K&P Techinical Highlights States many things including items below relevant to this discussion: Quote:
Then we can throw in the other popular name... K&N K&N Oil Filters Generic Specs The K&N 170 is for the EVO motors Stating very little other than: Quote:
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WOW... talk about brain twisting... How is HD able to run one filter for both motors? Same goes for K&P? Why is it that K&N still lists 2 different oil filter part numbers but cross reference they connect like the HD super filter? That means that all three companies list the same filter for both motors and list no micron ratings or micron rating different requirements for the motors. Being I have K&P filters on both motors (same number as indicated above), I have emailed K&P to ask for some clarification on their S4 working on both motors. I will let you know what they reply with. Thoughts? Insights? Knowledge? Links? Confusion? Well here's the email I sent to K&P. Quote:
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A post from another member... just goes to show the excellance of these things
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02-13-2010, 10:25 AM | #17 | ||
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A quick search gave me this about the rating of meeting only 50% of it rated value:
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Further I don't believe thier GPM. That is going to be the best filter size which will be MANY MANY times bigger than our little filters and at what PSI input from the oil pump... 40psi? I thought I read that the K&P filter has absolute (100%) efficiency at 35 microns. NOTHING gets past it bigger than 35 microns. |
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02-13-2010, 10:27 AM | #18 |
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And lastly... you can purchase K&P filters from Don at Value Teck
http://www.valueteck.com/page2.html |
02-13-2010, 10:32 AM | #19 |
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Here's what ya got
A dirty one...you can see the magnetic pre-filter covered all up. Last edited by Gas Man; 02-13-2010 at 10:35 AM.. |
02-13-2010, 08:51 PM | #20 |
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More information of FAQ
http://www.kandpengineering.com/faq.shtml especially interesting part about warrenties at the bottom. |
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