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Originally Posted by fujimoh
I am seeing a disturbing pattern here. First, carrying a weapon with a round chambered, unless you are heading into imminent danger violates all the rules of firearm training for concealed carry. We are not talking military or LEO here. We are talking firearm safety classes and the "carry" classes necessary to obtain the permit. (in Florida) That rule is right there with never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire.
The second point is a revolver is one step quicker from concealment to fire than the pistol. It is pull, point and pull the trigger. There is no safety to check or release.
The third point is that if I need more than 5 shots to get myself clear of the situation, I am in combat, and not self defense.
The whole purpose of self defense is not to be involved in some Steven Segal movie where you are standing in the middle of a restaurant firing 17 shots, reload, fire 17 more and keep going until everyone is dead. The purpose is to defend yourself from attack while getting yourself and your family out of the situation.
If someone can find a news account where someone fired more than 5 or 6 shots in self defense to defuse the situation, post it up. I follow these stories closely and most self defense situations I study show that an attacker is fought off or scared off with 1, 2 or maybe 3 shots
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1. I can respect your opinions, but i disagree with all of this. I took my CCW in Florida as well. Our class was taught by three police officers. Not one of them mentioned anything about having a round chambered being a violation of concealed carry. Rather, they left the option in our hands. There is no such rule on carrying with a chambered round. If you wish to carry at that condition, that's your prerogative, but I will always disagree with that.
2. I don't see how you have a revolver being one step quicker. If you're carrying on an empty cylinder:
step one: present firearm
step two: pull trigger. since the cylinder is empty, it'll be a dry fire and the cylinder will rotate to a chambered round
step three: pull trigger
--- or ---
step one: present firearm
step two: pull trigger on a chambered round and boom.
--- vs ---
step one: present firearm
step two: rack slide
step three: pull trigger
--- or---
step one: present firearm
step two: pull trigger
A semi-auto may have one additional step if there's an external safety, and in that regard I'll give you one additional step, but on many striker fired pistols and double action hammer fired, there may not be a safety, so that step does not exist. I carry a Glock which has no traditional external safety. Much like my revolver, it's present weapon, pull trigger, bang.
3. The purpose of carrying is self defense. You don't get to choose the situation in which you draw a weapon, you can only be prepared for the worst. I agree that there's a point in which it doesn't make sense to carry x amount of bullets. I have friends who carry a full magazine in the gun plus a spare. I draw the line at a full magazine. Nobody wants to be in any bad situation, and there's a good chance that many people will not be. But you don't carry for the good situations.