Atheists at Christmas: Eat, drink and be wary
 

Atheists at Christmas: Eat, drink and be wary
By PATRICK CONDON, Associated Press Writer Patrick Condon, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 25 mins ago

MINNEAPOLIS – Angie O'Neill recently moved into a new apartment complex for seniors and she's trying to make new friends. But Christmas is a tough time of year for an atheist.

"All the planned activities at this time of year revolve around the church," said O'Neill, a retiree and an atheist for decades.

O'Neill sought an escape this week, joining a group of her fellow nonbelievers for a weekly "Atheist Happy Hour" at a suburban Mexican restaurant. The group, Atheists for Human Rights, is active year-round but takes it up a notch this time of year with a Winter Solstice party, a charity drive and good attendance for the weekly gathering at Ol' Mexico.

For one thing, it's a chance to share coping techniques during this most religious time of year. They range from the simple, like warning about certain stores that blare religious Christmas songs, to tougher tasks like how to avoid certain topics with certain family members. These atheists describe adjusting some customs to make them their own, like Nancy Ruhland, a pharmacist who sends out Christmas cards to friends and loved ones — but makes sure to find ones without a Christian message or subtext.

Even as they chafe at the omnipresence of Christmas, many of the atheists here are quick to stress their belief in the pagan roots of a yearly celebration near the winter solstice. Before Christianity and other organized religions, many cultures would mark the point where days started getting longer again with a "festival of light" that included parties, gift exchanges, even placing trees in homes. Some of those rituals were religious, but usually in a polytheistic way.

"What we're celebrating this year is the promise of the sun returning. That's S-U-N, not S-O-N," said Bill Weir, a retired marketing executive from Plymouth.

"Then the Christians stole it," added Marie Elena Castle of Minneapolis, the 82-year-old founder of Atheists for Human Rights and an atheist activist for two decades. It's a season of celebration for the Jewish faith as well, with Hanukkah.

Still, none of the atheists interviewed for this story expressed a wish to be left out of Christmas entirely.

"Food, we like. Presents, we like. Seeing family, we like," said Val Woelfel of St. Paul, an aspiring archaeologist. Woelfel, 47, and her boyfriend, Bjorn Larsen, 32, planned to erect a tree in their living room: "Sacred trees are an ancient custom. It's pretty, it smells nice and it's pagan," Woelfel said.

Some of the atheist attitudes toward Christmas seem the result of well-practiced defense mechanisms. Castle, for instance, gets just as irritated when people tell her "Merry Christmas" as some Christians do when people tell them "Happy Holidays." O'Neill, who declines to give her age, said she wished parents would tell their kids there is no God at the same time they pass along certain information about Santa Claus.

But a number of the atheists who have issues with Christmas said their feelings come in part from years of discrimination.

Larsen, a mechanic, said his ex-wife suggested his atheism was a character flaw in court filings during a contentious divorce with the custody of their children in dispute (he lost custody). Another man at the Atheist Happy Hour declined to reveal his last name, saying his employer is a conservative Catholic who would not tolerate a committed atheist on the payroll.

Still, most participate to some degree in Christmas celebrations, particularly those from Christian families. Larsen said he and Woelfel would join dozens of his relatives for a Christmas brunch at his parents' house on Dec. 24. But he would likely stay behind when most head to church afterward.

"It's the biggest family event of the year, and for me it's about seeing the family," said Larsen, an auto mechanic. "It's about taking the good and leaving the bad."

Ruhland, the pharmacist, said she "came out" as an atheist eight years ago to her family, most of whom are active and traditional Catholics. She still spends time with them at Christmas, and said most have learned to avoid the topic of religion when she's around. "I just sit in the back while they pray, and keep my mouth shut," she said.

For some atheists, the proximity to believers is even closer. Jim Wright, a retired merchandiser, lives with his 92-year-old mother in St. Paul. She "believes all that crap," he said.

"She wants me to come back to God, but I can't because he never existed," Wright said. This Christmas, he said, "I told her if she wants lights on the side of the house that she needs to do it. She's long since given up on the tree."

Castle, the veteran activist, said people shouldn't cave in to the notion that Christmas belongs to Christians.

"Baby Jesus is just an excuse for a lot of people to party, anyway," Castle said. "Enjoy your friends. Eat, drink and be merry."

I'm confused - how can they condone celebrating pagen rituals but not agree with Jesus? Or, did I just read too quickly?

Personally, I'm an athiest agnostic that celebrates the holidays of my culture. I like airing grevences and especially like feats of strength.

No, you didn't read it incorrectly. They should hate the pagan rituals as much as christian ones, but they fail.

Somebody needs to tell these people that you can be an atheist without being a whiney cockholster.

Or even better, don't live with your mom if you are going to complain about her beliefs..... What a douche.

Oh come on now. How could you not like Perchta, the Pagan Goddess of Spinning wheels?

If you've spun all of your wool, you get money. If you haven't, she cuts you open and fills you up with rocks and twigs.

Now THAT'S a holiday!

JC

I really don't understand what the big deal is here...I'm agnostic, but I can still be respectful of other's beliefs. When they pray, I can just shut up for a minute.

Avoiding stores that play religious holiday music? :lmao:

Cheese and rice people, put on your big boy panties and shut the fuck up.

These people fail. You don't have to be religious to eat food, be around family and put lights on the damn house. Who cares about words in songs.. just tune them out. As far as merchandise with religious meaning.. just look the other way.

There isn't a big deal here. It's just people being grumpy and doing what people do, complain. :lol:

Well maybe I'm making it a big deal, Trip!!

I don't know....I'm bored. :lol:

They can't be serious....

Avoiding certain stores cuz of their music?

Get a life

My sister is a Jehovah Witness. She sounds like these people. Has avoided our family like the plague for every holiday for the last 10 years.

My mom calls her on her birthday every year and I send her a Christmas card. :D

yes i believe you did read it wrong. partially because it was written poorly. they are not following the pagan religion, they are celebrating a celestial event as an excuse to party at this time, having no god. it just so happens that pagans chose this day as a holy day.

That's a little different though. It is specifically AGAINST their religion to celebrate anything. It's not that they just don't believe in a certain holiday's origin.

No it is not. They do not have a religion, so it cannot be against it.
Specifying a day of gathering and celebrating each other has no religious undertones.

I wonder if they scream out "Oh Me!" during sex?:?:

But you don't totally turn your back because they believe something else.

She has relented a bit. My mother fell down a 50 foot embankment, breaking her shoulder and arm. My sister didn't go to church for 3 weeks because she'd stayed with my mom while she was recovering. The church reprimanded her for missing her designated "door knocking" time. Our mother was 80 when she went down that hill. :bash:

I was talking about people who follow the Jehovah's Witness religion. Not the atheists. :wink:

Yeah, they really are teh suck no doubt about control and whatnot.

Fine, complain about it then. LOL

Of course they aren't celebrating the pagan religion. They are just using the pagans as a reason to make fun of the christians by mentioning them stealing a lot of their traditions.

They could careless about the celestial event. The pagans and the christians have made this a culturally accepted time to celebrate and they don't want to feel left out so they are reaching for anything to try to make it acceptable for them to fit in with the people who do celebrate the holiday.

Christmas has been marketed to everyone now, might as well just celebrate it if you want to party and shut up. It's a mix mash of traditions and religions, might as well throw a little atheism in there too.

I can fix this right here. FUCKING MOVE

It's why I avoid Abercrombie.

Wait, too many other reasons to not go in that store... :lol:

Carry on.

My head hurts just walking past that store. I think Hollister (sp?) is worse for loud stupid fuckin music though.

It's not the music, it's the Axe body spray that seems to be heavily concentrated in that area.

who gives a shit? its not like christmas has more to do with christianity than it does capitalism. this is one of those places where the internet sucks, whiney little minority groups who need to invent problems in their life shouldnt have much of a voice. or be taken at all seriously.

i used to bang an atheist. she'd scream for the usual dieties when you hit it right :whatwhat:

not to mention half naked sexually confused teenagers.

And you almost need a fucking flashlight to see what color the clothes are.

Happy festivus!

Had lunch at Waterloo @ Avery today - he is putting up a festivus pole :lol:

It seems to me that this group has become evangelical about their atheism, with all the usual bullshit that comes with evangelism.

Ah, my mistake.

I corrected yours too.;)

I work for the feds. And everytime we have a function or divisional inspection, they pray Christian prayers.

I think its bullshit, but instead of raising a fuss, I just refuse to bow my head and give everybody the stink eye.


However, not everybody sees it like I do, and some people have been complaining. If you're going to pray a Christian prayer, they should pray to all.

:lol I stand corrected.

actually I'm sitting, but that's just a technicality.

Since it isn't in America I don't know how it works for you all, but if it were here they shouldn't be praying to any.

I believe that's referred to as "Fair and Balanced" in some circles.